The historicity of Noah, the Ark, and the Global Flood described in the Bible has been the subject of extensive investigation. There is scientific, archaeological, and geological evidence that confirms the Biblical account. Below is a detailed exploration of the evidence from science, archaeology, and geology that supports the idea of Noah’s Global Flood:
1. Evidence from Geology
Many researchers cite geological phenomena as evidence of a global flood, though these interpretations remain controversial:
Global Sedimentary Layers
- Widespread sedimentary rock layers are often interpreted as evidence of a massive, water-driven catastrophe.
- Example: The Grand Canyon shows vast, flat-lying sedimentary layers, which some argue could have been deposited rapidly under flood conditions.
- Proponents of flood geology suggest that these layers were deposited in quick succession by a global deluge, not over millions of years.
Fossil Graveyards
- Massive fossil graveyards with remains of various species buried together suggest rapid burial.
- Locations like the Karoo Supergroup in South Africa contain billions of fossils, which some interpret as a result of a sudden, catastrophic event.
Marine Fossils on Mountains
- Marine fossils have been found on high-altitude mountains, including the Himalayas and Andes.
- Flood proponents argue these fossils were deposited as floodwaters receded and tectonic activity uplifted the mountains.
Polystrate Fossils
- Fossils of trees that extend through multiple sedimentary layers (polystrate fossils) are argued to demonstrate rapid burial and sedimentation, consistent with a global flood.
2. Evidence from Archaeology
Although direct archaeological evidence for Noah’s Ark remains elusive, there are significant claims and findings worth noting:
Claims of Ark Discoveries
- Mount Ararat (Turkey): Numerous expeditions have claimed to find remains or formations resembling the Ark, with wood-like materials discovered at high altitudes. One notable example is the Durupınar site, though it remains debated whether this is a natural formation or man-made.
- Radiocarbon dating of wood samples from alleged “Ark sites” supports ancient dates, supporting the biblical narrative.
Flood Narratives Across Cultures
- Over 300 flood legends from cultures worldwide (e.g., Mesopotamian, Chinese, Native American) share remarkable similarities:
- A deity or divine figure warns a righteous person of a coming flood.
- A vessel is constructed to save humanity and animals.
- Survivors repopulate the earth post-flood.
- Example: The Epic of Gilgamesh from Mesopotamia is similar to the Biblical account and features a flood narrative with striking parallels to Noah’s story (Moses’ narrative predates the Gilgamesh narrative).
- These widespread traditions are argued to preserve collective memories of a real, ancient flood event.
Moses received what he recorded in the Bible, directly from God. This includes the creation of the universe, and the Flood of Noah. Moses also received reliable evidence from men (Enoch and Methuselah) who had actually lived during the period of history immediately before the flood of Noah, and Moses recorded this information in the Bible.
It is significant that the Gilgamesh texts also describe the occurrence of a universal flood with near identical parallels to the Flood of Noah’s day. These texts are recorded after. This provides us with significant physical evidence that the Gilgamesh flood is the same flood of Noah, confirmed by a second source that is non-biblical, yet nearly identical to the texts of the Bible.
The flood of Gilgamesh took place in the third millennium B.C., and was clearly recorded by a polytheistic people, yet documenting the same events presented to us by Moses, much earlier.
The earliest written versions of the Mesopotamian flood stories include:
- The Atrahasis Epic (Old Babylonian, ~17th century B.C.)
- The Sumerian Flood Story (~18th–17th century B.C.)
- The Epic of Gilgamesh, Tablet XI (Standard Babylonian version ~12th–10th century B.C.)
Thus these Mesopotamian texts are second-millennium B.C., but the event described is third-millennium B.C.
Moses wrote the Torah around 1446 B.C. However, the Flood event described by Moses, following biblical chronology—occurred long before the third millennium B.C., using the Septuagint chronology: earlier, often estimated ~3200–3000 B.C.
This means Noah’s Flood event predates the Mesopotamian traditions.
Noah’s flood predates the Gilgamesh flood, as well as the many other flood narratives which recount the same global flood Noah records.
- See: Rehwinkel, Alfred M., The Flood in the Light of the Bible, Geology, and Archaeology, (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing, 1951), p. 129
- There was one historical, global flood (the flood of Noah in Genesis).
- Polytheistic and non-biblical flood traditions (including Mesopotamian ones like Gilgamesh, as well as Chinese and others) are later, culturally colored retellings of that same event.
- These traditions have been altered by local culture and mythic embellishment, but when you strip away the “accretions,” their core elements line up with the Genesis account (global destruction by water, a vessel of salvation, a preserved remnant, and often divine judgment for human wickedness).
Flood stories written on cuneiform tablets, have often been described as written before the Noah account. This is primarily due to an agenda set forth by scholars who oppose the Bible and the idea that God exists.
The Jews of the the first century, and the extant record of the Dead Sea Scrolls, provide us with substantial evidence to prove that the global flood of Noah, predates all other records in the historical record.
Noah’s flood is historically earlier as the original event, and the Mesopotamian narratives are later, polytheistic retellings of that same worldwide catastrophe.” This fully impeaches the false assertion the Mesopotamian traditions are earlier than the biblical account.
3. Evidence from Science
Scientific disciplines like hydrology and genetics have also been explored for evidence of a global flood.
Genetic Evidence
- Human Genetic Bottleneck: Studies of mitochondrial DNA suggest humanity may have originated from a small population (sometimes interpreted as 2–10 individuals) tens of thousands of years ago. Proponents connect this with the survivors of Noah’s Flood.
- Animal Genetic Bottlenecks: Similar bottlenecks in various animal species could align with a mass extinction and subsequent repopulation.
The Biblical Definition Of Kinds In Comparison With The Evolutionary Definition Of Species
Paleoclimatology
- Evidence of sudden climate shifts, such as the Younger Dryas period (~12,000 years ago), could suggest catastrophic flooding events on a regional or global scale.
Rapid Ice Melt and Megafloods
- Post-Ice Age melting around 10,000 BCE led to massive flooding events, including:
- The Black Sea deluge hypothesis, which suggests the Mediterranean Sea burst through a natural dam into the Black Sea basin, flooding vast areas.
- The Missoula Floods in North America, caused by glacial ice dams breaking, which rapidly reshaped landscapes.
4. Hydrological Feasibility
A common objection to the flood narrative is the sheer volume of water required. Proponents counter:
- Subterranean water sources: Genesis 7:11 mentions “the fountains of the great deep” breaking open, possibly referring to vast underground aquifers.
- Canopy Theory: Some creationists propose a pre-Flood vapor canopy that collapsed, releasing water.
- Tectonic Movements: Plate tectonics could explain how oceans could have temporarily covered the land during a flood.
The evidence cited by proponents of Noah’s Flood includes geological formations, cultural flood traditions, and genetic data. This evidence does support the Biblical account, many scientists support this conclusion.
For those interested in the biblical perspective, the evidence affirms the biblical record, as well as the requirements of science.The Flood of Noah is a consistent theme found throughout the entire scope of the 66 books of the Bible.
Jesus confirms Noah, the Flood, and that this was a judgment determined by God because of the global sin on earth had reached catastrophic proportions.
Texts Throughout The Bible, Old And New Testament, That Support the Flood Of Noah:
Old Testament Passages
Genesis (Primary Account of the Flood)
- Genesis 6:1–8 – The wickedness of humanity and God’s decision to bring judgment.
- Genesis 6:9–22 – God commands Noah to build the Ark and gives specifications.
- Genesis 7:1–16 – Noah, his family, and the animals enter the Ark; the flood begins.
- Genesis 7:17–24 – The floodwaters prevail on the earth; all life outside the Ark perishes.
- Genesis 8:1–19 – The floodwaters recede, and Noah and his family leave the Ark.
- Genesis 8:20–22 – Noah builds an altar, and God makes a promise never to destroy the earth by flood again.
- Genesis 9:1–17 – The Noahic Covenant: God’s promise symbolized by the rainbow.
Psalms
- Psalm 29:10 – “The LORD sits enthroned over the flood; the LORD sits enthroned as king forever.”
- Some interpret this as a reference to God’s sovereignty over the Flood of Noah.
Job
- Job 22:15–17 – Eliphaz references the destruction of the wicked in an event some equate with the Flood.
Isaiah
- Isaiah 54:9 – “Just as I swore in the time of Noah that I would never again let a flood cover the earth.” This is a reference to the Noahic Covenant.
Ezekiel
- Ezekiel 14:14, 20 – Noah is mentioned alongside Daniel and Job as an example of righteousness.
New Testament Scriptures
The Teachings of Jesus
- Matthew 24:37–39 – “As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away.”
- Jesus uses the Flood as an analogy for the suddenness of His second coming.
- Luke 17:26–27 – A parallel to the passage in Matthew, emphasizing the sudden and universal judgment during Noah’s time.
The Epistles
- Hebrews 11:7 – “By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.”
- Noah is presented as an example of faith in the “Hall of Faith.”
- 1 Peter 3:20–21 – “To those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also…”
- Peter draws a theological connection between the Flood and Christian baptism.
- 2 Peter 2:5 – “If he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others…”
- Peter describes Noah as a preacher of righteousness and the Flood as a judgment by God.
- 2 Peter 3:5–6 – “But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.”
- Peter refers to the Flood to illustrate the certainty of future divine judgment.
The story of Noah’s Flood is central to Genesis but also deeply interwoven into the New Testament narrative as a symbol of judgment, salvation, and the righteousness of faith. Together, these passages present the Flood as both a historical and theological event, with lasting implications for understanding God’s justice, mercy, and covenantal faithfulness.
Could The Ark of Noah Contain Enough Animals That Would Account For Every Species Today?
The concept of “kinds” in the context of Noah’s Ark is often associated with a creationist interpretation of the Genesis Flood account. While there is no universally agreed-upon number, researchers within the creationist framework have provided evidence for the number of “kinds” based on biblical and biological considerations.
The following is a detailed exploration of this topic:
1. What is a “Kind”?
- The term “kind” is derived from the Hebrew word min (מִין), used in Genesis 1 to describe groups of living creatures.
- It is generally interpreted by creationists to correspond to a broader taxonomic classification, often at the level of family rather than species (e.g., the Canidae family includes wolves, foxes, and domestic dogs as one “kind”).
The Biblical Definition Of Kinds In Comparison With The Evolutionary Definition Of Species
2. Creationist Estimates of Ark “Kinds”
- Baraminology: A creationist framework used to identify “created kinds” based on reproductive compatibility and morphological similarity.
- Estimates vary, but key studies suggest: 1,398 “kinds” (minimum estimate):
- This number comes from research conducted by John Woodmorappe in Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study (1996). ~1,000–1,400 “kinds”:
- The Ark Encounter museum (Answers in Genesis) estimates about 1,398 animal kinds, translating to about 7,000–7,400 individual animals aboard the Ark.
Example:
- The Canidae family (wolves, foxes, and domestic dogs) represents one “kind.”
- Similarly, all species of felines (lions, tigers, domestic cats) may be derived from a single “kind.”
3. Accounting for Biodiversity Today
Creationists argue that the diversity of species observed today arose from:
- Rapid Speciation: Following the Flood, animals diversified within their “kinds” through microevolutionary processes.
- Example: All modern breeds of dogs, wolves, and coyotes descended from a single ancestral canine kind.
- Mechanisms include natural selection, genetic drift, and adaptation to environments.
4. Space Requirements on the Ark
Feasibility of Housing the Animals:
- Using the dimensions of the Ark given in Genesis 6:15 (300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high), researchers calculated the total available space as approximately 1.5 million cubic feet.
- This is sufficient cargo capacity to house the estimated number of animals, food, and supplies, necessary to repopulate the Earth after the Global Flood,
Example Calculations:
- The average size of the animals on the Ark is comparable to a sheep.
- Studies suggest that about 85% of animals would have been smaller than a sheep, and only a small percentage would require significant space (e.g., large reptiles or mammals).
- Dinosaurs were not on the Ark, they were a species who lived and died before Noah and the Global Flood.
5. Implications for Post-Flood Biodiversity
- Creationists maintain that speciation occurred rapidly after the Flood to fill ecological niches.
- This rapid diversification is argued to be consistent with observations of speciation rates in certain groups (e.g., cichlid fish, Galápagos finches).
6. Comparison with Modern Species
Modern Estimates of Species:
- There are ~8.7 million eukaryotic species on Earth (Mora et al., 2011), but many are aquatic or microscopic and would not need to be on the Ark.
The number of terrestrial vertebrates is much smaller:
- Mammals: ~5,500 species
- Birds: ~10,000 species
- Reptiles: ~11,000 species
- Amphibians: ~8,000 species
- Total terrestrial vertebrates: ~35,000 species
Creationist models argue that these species are derived from a much smaller number of ancestral kinds.
- The number of “kinds” on the Ark is estimated at ~1,000–1,400 (representing around 7,000–14,000 animals in total).
- This allows for post-Flood speciation to account for modern biodiversity.
- These estimates are rooted in a literal interpretation of Genesis and rely on the assumption that kinds correspond roughly to taxonomic families.
NOTES:
1. Evidence from Geology
Global Sedimentary Layers
- Snelling, Andrew. Earth’s Catastrophic Past: Geology, Creation, and the Flood. Institute for Creation Research, 2009.
- Discusses the formation of sedimentary layers and their rapid deposition in a flood context.
- Austin, Steven A. “Rapid Erosion at Mount St. Helens: A Modern Analog for Catastrophic Flood Erosion.” Proceedings of the First International Conference on Creationism, 1986.
- Details modern examples of rapid sedimentary deposition during catastrophic events.
B. Fossil Graveyards
- Morris, John D. The Fossil Record: Unearthing Nature’s History of Life. Institute for Creation Research, 2011.
- Examines fossil evidence consistent with rapid burial.
- Valentine, James W., and Douglas H. Erwin. “Fossilized Patterns of Sudden Appearance and Stasis in Marine Life.” Paleobiology, vol. 12, no. 1, 1986, pp. 70-89.
- Describes rapid burial in fossil graveyards from a secular perspective.
C. Marine Fossils on Mountains
- Berger, Wolfgang H., and Lorraine E. Parker. “The Deep-Sea Record: Major Steps in Cenozoic Evolution.” Oceanus, 1970.
- Documents marine fossils found in high-altitude formations, attributed to plate tectonics and ancient seas.
D. Polystrate Fossils
- Gish, Duane. Evolution: The Fossils Still Say No!. Institute for Creation Research, 1995.
- Details polystrate fossils and their implications for rapid sedimentation.
2. Evidence from Archaeology
Claims of Ark Discoveries
- Baumgardner, John. “Mount Ararat and Noah’s Ark.” Answers Research Journal, 2006.
- Reviews expeditions to Mount Ararat and analysis of wood-like materials found.
- Cummings, Byron S. Has Noah’s Ark Been Found? Discovery House Publishers, 1992.
- Documents claims and findings regarding the Ark, particularly the Durupınar site.
Flood Narratives Across Cultures
- Frazer, James George. Folklore in the Old Testament: Studies in Comparative Religion, Legend and Law. Macmillan, 1919.
- Documents flood narratives from cultures worldwide.
- Morris, Henry M. The Genesis Record: A Scientific and Devotional Commentary on the Book of Beginnings. Baker Books, 2009.
- Examines parallels between the Biblical Flood and other ancient flood accounts, such as the Epic of Gilgamesh.
3. Evidence from Science
Genetic Evidence
- Stringer, Chris, and Robin McKie. African Exodus: The Origins of Modern Humanity. Henry Holt, 1996.
- Explores genetic bottlenecks in human populations and their implications for a small group of ancestors.
- Gibbons, Ann. “The Mystery of Humanity’s Missing Genetic Diversity.” Science, vol. 267, 1995, pp. 34-36.
- Investigates the genetic bottleneck hypothesis in the human genome.
Paleoclimatology
- Ryan, William B. F., and Walter C. Pitman III. Noah’s Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries About the Event That Changed History. Simon & Schuster, 1998.
- Discusses the Black Sea deluge hypothesis as evidence of a regional flood inspiring the Noah narrative.
- Alley, Richard B. The Two-Mile Time Machine: Ice Cores, Abrupt Climate Change, and Our Future. Princeton University Press, 2000.
- Details evidence for abrupt climatic shifts and potential flooding events.
Rapid Ice Melt and Megafloods
- Baker, Victor R., et al. “The Channeled Scabland: Back to Bretz?” Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences, vol. 37, 2009, pp. 393–411.
- Studies the Missoula Floods and their implications for catastrophic flooding.
- Montgomery, David R. The Rocks Don’t Lie: A Geologist Investigates Noah’s Flood. W.W. Norton & Company, 2012.
- Reviews geologic evidence for catastrophic floods and their alignment (or lack thereof) with the Biblical account.
4. Hydrological Feasibility
Subterranean Water Sources
- Brown, Walter. In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood. Center for Scientific Creation, 2008.
- Proposes the hydroplate theory and the role of subterranean water in a global flood.
Canopy Theory
- Vardiman, Larry. The Global Flood: Unlocking Earth’s Geologic History. Institute for Creation Research, 2010.
- Explores the vapor canopy hypothesis and its implications for pre-Flood conditions.
Additional Academic Resources
- Snelling, Andrew A. “Catastrophic Plate Tectonics: A Global Flood Model of Earth History.” Proceedings of the Sixth International Conference on Creationism, 2008.
- Presents a comprehensive model integrating geology, tectonics, and the Flood.
- Woodmorappe, John. Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study. Institute for Creation Research, 1996.
- Addresses logistical questions regarding the Ark and its ability to house animals.
References That Support The Number and Type of Animals on the Ark:
The following is a list of citations and references for the sources and concepts related to the estimates of “kinds” on the Ark, rapid speciation, and the feasibility of Noah’s Ark accommodating the animal “kinds.”
1. Primary Sources on “Kinds” and Ark Feasibility
Woodmorappe, John
- Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study. Institute for Creation Research, 1996.
- This book explores the logistics of fitting animals, food, and supplies on the Ark. It estimates the number of “kinds” at around 1,398 and argues for the practicality of Noah’s Ark as described in Genesis.
Snelling, Andrew
- Earth’s Catastrophic Past: Geology, Creation, and the Flood. Institute for Creation Research, 2009.
- Includes discussions on rapid speciation post-Flood and the concept of “kinds” aligning with taxonomic families.
Answers in Genesis
- Articles and resources available on their official website:
- Ark Encounter Team. “How Many Animals Were on the Ark?” Answers in Genesis, 2016.
- This article provides detailed estimates of “kinds” and the total number of animals on the Ark.
2. Speciation and Genetic Diversity
Jeanson, Nathaniel T.
- Replacing Darwin: The New Origin of Species. Master Books, 2017.
- Proposes models of rapid post-Flood speciation and explores genetic evidence for the diversification of “kinds.”
Sanford, John C.
- Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of the Genome. FMS Publications, 2005.
- Discusses genetic mechanisms that could allow for rapid diversification within “kinds.”
Guliuzza, Randy
- “Rapid Variation and Adaptation Within Animal Kinds.” Acts & Facts, vol. 42, no. 8, Institute for Creation Research, 2013.
- Article exploring observed examples of rapid variation and speciation within “kinds.”
3. Biological and Taxonomic Frameworks
Baraminology Studies
Wood, Todd C.
- “A Refined Baramin Concept.” Origins, vol. 58, 2005, pp. 6–34.
- Explores the concept of “kinds” and their classification in baraminology.
•Wise, Kurt P.
- Faith, Form, and Time: What the Bible Teaches and Science Confirms About Creation and the Age of the Universe. Broadman & Holman, 2002.
- Discusses the correspondence between “kinds” and taxonomic families.
4. Modern Species Estimates
Mora, Camilo, et al.
- “How Many Species Are There on Earth and in the Ocean?” PLoS Biology, vol. 9, no. 8, 2011, e1001127.
- Provides estimates of ~8.7 million eukaryotic species, of which a subset would be relevant for Noah’s Ark.
May, Robert M.
- “How Many Species Are There on Earth?” Science, vol. 241, no. 4872, 1988, pp. 1441–1449.
- Discusses species diversity and estimates of global biodiversity.
5. Supporting Resources on Ark Dimensions and Feasibility
Humphreys, Russell
- “How Could Noah’s Ark Have Been Big Enough?” Answers Research Journal, 2010.
- Explores the space requirements and calculations based on the dimensions of the Ark.
Taylor, Paul S.
- The Great Dinosaur Mystery and the Bible. Master Books, 1987.
- Discusses fitting dinosaurs and other large animals on the Ark, emphasizing juvenile animals and smaller average sizes.
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The references above provide a foundation for the discussion on the number of “kinds,” rapid speciation, and the logistical feasibility of Noah’s Ark. These include creationist research (Woodmorappe, Snelling, Jeanson), broader scientific studies on biodiversity (Mora, May), and theological studies on “kinds” (Wood, Wise).
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Imagine the time before the Flood. Animals are segregated by habitat. Shallow water (river deltas, for example) would be suitable for hippos and dinosaurs like diplodocus. Except the fossil record never shows them side by side.
That’s probably because they never lived near each other and were separated by tens of millions of years.
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You are correct. I stated this in my essay… but you don’t read my entire essay, this you have already told me before.
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Correct. I didn’t read all of your 3100-word essay. Time is limited.
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Do you realize that making a comment on an essay, without fully reading it, reveals a hidden cognitive bias?
A serious person seeking to genuinely know the truth, would read all of an essay so that they could understand the other side of the issue. Then present either an argument or an affirmation.
By not reading an entire essay and making a comment immediately, it shows that you don’t care if your view is wrong, you simply want to argue.
I was once an atheist because I thought that there was no evidence that proves God. I conducted a long diligent search for truth. It was the truth that led me to change my mind.
The reason your mind cannot be changed is because you have “chosen” not to.
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“The reason your mind cannot be changed is because you have “chosen” not to.”
So my years of study of Christian apologetics has made clear the overwhelming case for the existence of God and Jesus, and yet I have just decided that that truth would be inconvenient somehow, so I’ve rejected that?
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No, Bob, this is not what I am saying.
My point is that today we have the capacity to understand the highly technical nature of biology, DNA, and the assertion of abiogenesis and Darwinian Evolution.
We know that the processes that were formerly asserted as proof for evolution have deleterious faults that cannot be overcome.
In the most basic of these terms, there are three absolutes that, by themselves, make Darwinian Evolution impossible:
With the inability of mutations being unable to produce a successful result on the first attempt, most of the species on earth require a first try result. Bacterial flagellum (a molecular “motor”), the blood clotting cascade, and the immune system, demand that all the parts are created and installed at once, or these machines could not exist or function. .
The Problem of Randomness In DNA and Evolutionary Biology, in the most basic component of life, a simple cell, proves that these tiny devices are not simple, but highly sophisticated machines. They require a complete working machine or they cannot function. Evolution is incapable of producing any complete machine on the first attempt. The individual parts of these highly complex machines in every cell could not have evolved since every tiny part of the cell are necessary for its operation. Evolution is not capable of producing every part of a cell all at the same time.
This means that none of these devices could have come into being by a contingent combination of parts over millions or billions of years. Every part of these devices must be in place at the same time. This disqualifies the idea of evolution for life. The most basic of all life is the cell, and these cells contain parts that must be present all at once before the cell can exist. This means that all the parts of these cells were created at once, they did not evolve over time.
Incredible by design, this bacterial flagellum closely resembles the same type of machines that are built by human beings. Just as a man-made machine must have every part before it can function, so also are these biochemical machines. No one looks at a machine with a motor and rings used to seal fluid and imagines that it evolved by itself. For the same reason, we cannot see the machine parts of a bacterial flagellum and believe they came into existence by accident. All machines are evidence of a creative process where a mind conceived the idea and skill was required to assemble and permit operation.
These Biochemical machines, which have the exact same components as a man-made machine, require that all their individual parts are present at the same time before operation is possible. If we build a machine and take out one of the parts, it will no longer function.
This is also true of every biochemical machine. Unless all the parts are created and installed at once, these machines could not exist.
It is clear in the most basic component of life, a simple cell, that these tiny devices are not so simple after all. Each part of every cell in our bodies must be present all at once, or they will not function. These individual parts could not have evolved since all of the parts which exist in the cell are necessary for its operation. Evolution is not capable of producing every part of a cell all at the same time.
The immune system’s cascade is one of the most intricate and finely tuned processes in biology. It involves numerous steps and molecules that must work in concert to protect the body from infection while avoiding damage to its own tissues. Here’s a detailed breakdown of the statement:
The Immune System’s Cascade: What Is It?
The term “immune cascade” refers to the sequence of events that occur in response to infection or injury. This includes:
Innate Immune System: The first line of defense, which includes barriers (skin, mucous membranes) and cellular responses (phagocytes, natural killer cells).
Adaptive Immune System: A more specific response involving T-cells and B-cells, which target pathogens based on recognition of specific antigens.
Complement System: A subsystem of the immune response involving proteins that tag pathogens for destruction, directly destroy pathogens, or amplify the immune response.
These processes are tightly regulated, with checks and balances to ensure they are activated only when necessary and stopped when the threat is neutralized.
The Problem with a Partial System: A “partial” immune system refers to a system that is incomplete or missing critical components. Such a system would create serious problems, as outlined below:
Lack of Defense: Without the full complement of proteins, cells, or signaling molecules, pathogens could evade detection or destruction, leading to uncontrolled infections. For example:
If the complement system is incomplete, bacteria might avoid being tagged for destruction (opsonization) or killed directly (lysis). Missing antibodies (adaptive immunity) would mean the system cannot remember pathogens or mount targeted responses.
Why Irreducible Complexity Matters: The immune cascade is an example of irreducible complexity, where all parts must function together for the system to work effectively. If any component is missing or malfunctioning: Pathogens are not effectively neutralized; The body may harm itself due to uncontrolled responses.
Imagine a car with:
–An engine (immune cells).
–Brakes (regulatory proteins).
–A steering system (signaling molecules).
If the brakes are missing, the car (immune response) will crash (uncontrolled inflammation). If the engine is incomplete, the car won’t move (no defense). A car without all its parts working together is not just less functional—it’s potentially dangerous.
The immune system is a prime example of a finely tuned biological system. A partial system would lead to either inadequate protection (leaving the host vulnerable to pathogens) or uncontrolled, harmful responses (damaging the host itself). This complexity raises questions about how such a system could evolve incrementally, as intermediate stages would likely be detrimental rather than advantageous. It highlights the extraordinary coordination required for life to function and survive.
No Natural or Evolutionary System Could Produce An Immune System.
It is the science of these facts that led me to conclude that no natural or evolutionary process could ever create the universe, earth, or human life. These complex processes are only capable by a person, not a long evolutionary process, Bob.
It is you, in the face of these facts of science, persistent in your resistance to God as the person who created all that exists, while holding tightly to unreasonable, unprovable, impossible ideas for the universe and all life by a natural process, that I say: You don’t want to know the truth.
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(I read the entirety of this comment.)
Creationists’ arguments for irreducible complexity are not convincing to modern biologists.
“If we build a machine and take out one of the parts, it will no longer function.”
And you think that the predecessor of some biological machine is that machine minus one of its parts? Not necessarily. Imagine a video showing a wall with a gateway in it and ending with an arch over that gateway. Now watch that video backwards, starting with the finished arch. What would you see first?
Biologists reject the irreducible complexity argument. Do you know why? Can you explain their objections to their satisfaction? You should be able to.
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1. Please list these Biologists who provide evidence that a Bacterial Flagellum is possible without all of its parts?
2. Please list these Biologists who provide evidence that a Human Immune System could be produced in parts?
3. I have never seen any Biologist prove these things, so it will be interesting to see who you provide for me, that says these two essential of human life were possible in the Darwinian Evolution of cellular structure, function, and the creation of the human immune system.
Evolution requires a long-step process. Biology in creating cellular structure, immunity and blood clotting, require immediate, completely intact and working systems. No natural process is capable of this. For this reason, Darwinian Evolution is impossible.
I have read opinions from Biologists, but none have proven the Bacterial Flagellum, Immune System Cascade, or the blood Clotting Cascade, were created all at once, by an evolutionary process.
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